Curse

Zabe · Jun 15, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Got idea of "new" build few days ago. With few evolutions came up with this.

Frontline:

W/E
axe=12
str=12

Frenzy
Eviscerate {E}
Executioners strike
bulls strike
disrupting chop
Rush
shock
resurrection signet

W/Rt
swo=12
str=12
resto=3

crippling slash {E}
Gash
sun and moon slash
enraging charge
frenzy
rush
bulls strike
death pact signet

Pretty standard warrior bars. Sword warrior can swap enraging for disarm or savage slash if wanted. Nothing special I think

Midline:

Me/N

Dom=10
Insp=12
Fast cast= 7
Death=6

Keystone signet {E}
Signet of humility
Rotting flesh
leech signet
signet of weariness
signet of distraction
mantra of inscriptions
res sig

R/Mo

exp=12
wild=9
Marks=9
pro=2

Crippling shot {E}
savage shot
distracting shot
natural stride
mending touch
troll unguent
apply poison
resurrection signet

R/Rt
exp=12
wild=12

oath shot {E}
natures renewal
tranquility
dust trap
distracting shot
barbed arrows
whirling defense
death pact signet

This is where the wierd things start popping up. Only skillbar that has some steady base is standard crip shot bar. I'm not sure about the Me/N bar, but as it is NR/TR it can't have tainted as elite, so I think that keystone bar can't be that bad. Should be able to humility RC 24/7 and if wanted/needed, can also shut down another elite, WoH for example. Dist sig also adds more shutdownability if you can interrupt with it on steady flow. The spirit guy is pretty normal. Although, having hard rezz and barbed arrows. Dunno how much it will be able to put pressure out as spirits need to be used pretty much.

Backline:

Mo/Rt

pro=12
div=9
resto=9

restore condition {E}
spirit bond
reversal of fortune
spirit light
weapon of warding
remove hex
divine healing
aura of stability

Pretty interesting bar to play tbh. The base of this build comes from year old NR&TR build by Storm Bearers. Altho they were using ZB Monk with rit skills back then. I'm not sure about the Aura Of Stability, but as the signet mesmers are still in the meta, it should be pretty useful, especially on the oath shot to prevent KD interrupting spirits.

Mo/N

heal=12
pro=9
div=8
curses=5

Word of Healing {E}
infuse health
Signet Of Rejuvenation
patient spirit
protective spirit
cure hex
divine healing
enfeebling blood

Pretty normal WoH bar, although, running enfeebling blood and divine healing. Been thinking if Mo/A would be better, using return and dark escape instead of Enfeebling Blood and Reju sig, or something.

Flagger:

Rt/A

resto=12
chan=12
spawn=3

weapon of remedy {E}
Weapon of warding
wielders boon
dash
splinter weapon
ancestors rage
protective was kaolai
recuperation

Standard rit runner bar, nothing special.

So, I would like some comments from the build as whole, and from different bars also. The backline is kinda wierd, biggest worries are related to how the monks will be on energy, especially the RC, they are going to get bashed hard. Especially without any partywide defense, partyheals will be needed, therefore monks are carrying in total of 2 copies of divine healing accompanied with Pot from rit.

You can bash, flame or do whatever for it, hell, you can even use it

~Peace out

Tab · Jun 15, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

NR/Tranq works best with 2 wars and 2 paras imo.

Turbobusa · Jun 15, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Ok I know I don't usually comment on GvG builds but...WTH?
Isn't tranquility builds supposed to have little to no enchants? I might understand taking patient spirit but that's about it...
I might be missing something, someone light this up please

Zabe · Jun 15, 2008, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Ok I know I don't usually comment on GvG builds but...WTH?
Isn't tranquility builds supposed to have little to no enchants? I might understand taking patient spirit but that's about it...
I might be missing something, someone light this up please

I want to see the nr tr build running without PS and especially without SB. Pretty much best antispike skills there is. And there is no other long lasting or casting enchantments in the build. Or well, stability, but thats pretty much to not get the spirit spammer owned by sig mesmers, it can be swapped for copy of divine healing, or signet of devotion or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tab

NR/Tranq works best with 2 wars and 2 paras imo.

Nr tr has most defense in that case yes, you can have stances on monks and all that. But the ability to shutdown and have conditions spread out are minimal compared to this. So yes, there is pros and cons, but tell me a build that hasnt

around · Jun 15, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

2 warrior 3 ranger imo.

Blackout R/Me Magebane imo.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 15, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

What is the point of Tactics on the first war? Am I missing something?

PyrAnkh · Jun 15, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

he is obviously using a tactics shield.

Seriously now, dont use PS in a nr/tq build, you are just giving yourself the same disadvantage as the opponent.

Pesi · Jun 15, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

run disease condition without a cure for it is stupid.([skill]Rotting flesh[/skill])
then u will get the preassure back to you and gain nothing....

Zabe · Jun 15, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan

What is the point of Tactics on the first war? Am I missing something?

Thx for the point. Fix'd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pesi

run disease condition without a cure for it is stupid.([skill]Rotting flesh[/skill])
then u will get the preassure back to you and gain nothing....

Umm, how it doesn't gain anything? The point of the disease is to add easily spreading condition that is almost impossible to pull off from entire team if you get it sticking, and I wonder how it wouldnt stick with RC being humilitied 24/7. It just adds more pressure to the enemy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

Seriously now, dont use PS in a nr/tq build, you are just giving yourself the same disadvantage as the opponent.

Not running PS would be most stupidest thing you could do in my opinion. You don't have any disadvantage in running it. You would give yourself great disadvantage by NOT running it imo. Only place where it is going to give huge difference, is VoD, as PS is mostly used for preprotting spikes, it isnt important will it last for 10 or 20 seconds.

Katyliini · Jun 15, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Quite nice if one wants to run NR/TR in 1st place

Spirit builds are weak! ;D

IMMORTAlMITCH · Jun 15, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Pure was li ming or extinguish somewhere would help a lot.

The monk bars are still pretty bad, rc especially.

JR · Jun 16, 2008, 10:06 AM // 10:06

I don't really like the Mesmer. It doesn't really seem to do much outside of rotting/humility. I'd add some kind of e-denial/management like Ether Phantom/Drain Delusions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

Seriously now, dont use PS in a nr/tq build

Prot Spirit is an anti spike skill that has a huge duration at any decent spec, that being halved really isn't a huge blow.

deya · Jun 16, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

As long as GW has been out there people have more or less been trying out some Spirit builds. It used to work very well in HA, but in GvG format there's way too many options to beat the enemy even if they had huge build advantage in plain 8on8 fight such as moving out of the range of spirit as well as splitting.

When facing some balanced build which can split it's fairly impossible to win since you're having one totally useless guy out there when fighting in smaller scale fights.

Also don't forget the huge amount of Magebanes etc. you're facing every other matches makes spirit spamming pretty much impossible in the first place.

Spirits _might_ work in straight forward maps like burning if the enemy isn't very good at this game.

Kaon · Jun 16, 2008, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Pretty sure this is terrible and the 2p nr tranq is better.

jaeharys targaryen · Jun 17, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pesi

run disease condition without a cure for it is stupid.([skill]Rotting flesh[/skill])
then u will get the preassure back to you and gain nothing....

stop being bad

RotteN · Jun 18, 2008, 09:35 AM // 09:35

with [[magebane shot] being so damn popular atm, spirit spammers will fail horribly.

romO · Jun 18, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Run both PS and SB in an NR/Tranq build. I feel like that needs no further explanation. NR kills the skills way more than tranq.

Kaon · Jun 18, 2008, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by deya

As long as GW has been out there people have more or less been trying out some Spirit builds. It used to work very well in HA, but in GvG format there's way too many options to beat the enemy even if they had huge build advantage in plain 8on8 fight such as moving out of the range of spirit as well as splitting.

When facing some balanced build which can split it's fairly impossible to win since you're having one totally useless guy out there when fighting in smaller scale fights.

Also don't forget the huge amount of Magebanes etc. you're facing every other matches makes spirit spamming pretty much impossible in the first place.

Spirits _might_ work in straight forward maps like burning if the enemy isn't very good at this game.

You are right in every sentence here, especially the last one. People are bad at the game and there are plenty situations where a good nr/tranq build (if there is any these days) can stomp the opponent.